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 25/07/2008, 11:28 AM
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Indy_Bones
 
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Assuming the latest rumours are correct and we are being linked with a £1.25 million swoop for Steve Howard, I have to ask the question - why?
Apparently we've already had a £1 mil bid rejected for Andy Carroll, and to be honest, I'd much rather increase that bid to 1.25 or 1.5 million rather than spend it on an incredibly slow, aging striker, who was apallingly bad in the Prem for Derby, and not much better after moving to Leicester.
2 years ago this would have been a decent signing, it's just not anymore. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because Dublin did well, then Howard will also.
I'm really hoping that we make a double deal at Newcastle for both Ameobi and Carroll, rather than spending our funds on this "Power Turtle"...
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25/07/2008, 11:31 AM
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ncfc_chris
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i agree, i want a big man but somebody with a bit of class and movement, Howard is just a lump to pump balls to
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25/07/2008, 11:38 AM
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wrightycool
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I dont understand why we want him either.
He's no Dean Ashton, he is just a lump. Ok Iwan was a little simular and maybe with crosses from our new midfield, maybe he will be putting the ball away?
I think Rob Hulse would have been more worth the £1.25 million, as much of a CXXT he is, he causes defences problems.
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25/07/2008, 11:49 AM
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Dictator Smith
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So buy a younger up and coming player not waste over a million on this lump , surely if as we are told we are building for the future £2 million on Carrol would be the better option.
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25/07/2008, 12:09 PM
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Branston Pickle
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I'm going to disagree with the majority, it seems - we need a guy who can get on the end of things, hold play up and bring others into the game and this is surely what he is good at.
He wouldn't necessarily be top of my list, but Howard would definitely be on it somewhere as he absolutely fits what we are after: he has a very good goalscoring record at this level (34 for Luton over 2 seasons in this division, 19 goals in Derby's promotion season, 6 in 20 for a failing Leicester last season), and presumably sets up plenty with knock-ons as well - so we could do a lot worse. If we have failed to get some of our higher-up-the-list players, perhaps those such as Sibierski, then I'd certainly settle for him. Considering that we have been pitiful at converting set pieces and corners for years, getting someone who has a proven record of getting on the end of them would surely be no bad thing.
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25/07/2008, 12:17 PM
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NCFC_Thain
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Talking to Derby and Leicester fans he DOESN'T set up chances for the little stirker, he does win the ball in the air but his headers never go anywhere. A bit like Chris Brown's headers.
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25/07/2008, 12:39 PM
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Yellow Rider
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 Indy_Bones wrote: | Assuming the latest rumours are correct and we are being linked with a £1.25 million swoop for Steve Howard, I have to ask the question - why?
Apparently we've already had a £1 mil bid rejected for Andy Carroll, and to be honest, I'd much rather increase that bid to 1.25 or 1.5 million rather than spend it on an incredibly slow, aging striker, who was apallingly bad in the Prem for Derby, and not much better after moving to Leicester.
2 years ago this would have been a decent signing, it's just not anymore. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because Dublin did well, then Howard will also.
I'm really hoping that we make a double deal at Newcastle for both Ameobi and Carroll, rather than spending our funds on this "Power Turtle"...
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I agree with a lot of what you say and although I don't particularly want Howard at City, I still think that IF fully fit and motivated I would prefer him to the massively overrated Ameobi who can do no wrong in most fans eyes.
What about Dublins' first game for us in that memorable last match for Worthy. The 'legend' was truly awful and miles off the pace. The rest is history.
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25/07/2008, 1:00 PM
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Indy_Bones
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| Branston Pickle wrote: | | He wouldn't necessarily be top of my list, but Howard would definitely be on it somewhere as he absolutely fits what we are after: he has a very good goalscoring record at this level (34 for Luton over 2 seasons in this division, 19 goals in Derby's promotion season, 6 in 20 for a failing Leicester last season), and presumably sets up plenty with knock-ons as well - so we could do a lot worse. If we have failed to get some of our higher-up-the-list players, perhaps those such as Sibierski, then I'd certainly settle for him. Considering that we have been pitiful at converting set pieces and corners for years, getting someone who has a proven record of getting on the end of them would surely be no bad thing. |
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That's partially the point I was making Branston.
3 years ago he was doing pretty well for a ropey Luton team, and at that point would have been a very strong signing - hence why Derby made it. He then performed very well for them at this level, although I still don't know how they went up over WBA, but that's another topic.
He then went into the Prem, and managed an outstanding 1 in 21 games, and this was the guy keeping Earnie out of the Derby team...?
He then got sold to Leicester, and had it not been for a hattrick in 1 game, he'd have scored 3 in 21 games for Leicester, how is this performing at this level?
So in roughly 40 games over the last year, (hattrick aside), he's scored 4 goals. Can you now see why I have concerns?
I can appreciate not performing in the prem, although 1 goal is truly a dire return for the games he played, but to then come to Leicester and only perform marginally better says a lot. It really does appear that he's past it, which is fair enough, if your legs go, it can't be helped.
As for all this talk about 'knock-ons', that's fair enough, but of what type? If it's a case of having a big man up there to head the ball on from a long pass, then he'll do a semi-decent job (assuming he can move enough to get in position), but he's certainly not got the technical ability of players like Dublin and Crouch (just an example), to play clever flicks onto the other striker from feet etc.
He's simply a big, strong, slow player, and for that sort of money, I want more. Carroll is unproven, but he shows almost all of the qualities we are looking for in a 'big man', but has age and technical ability on his side. I'm not willing to just take Howard simply because a few of the other options aren't immediately available, I'd rather play a more skillful, passing game, and rely on the abilties of players like Hoolahan, Lupoli etc to make the goals, than stick Captain Lard upfront.
And Ameobi may be slightly overrated, but is still a class above almost all other strikers in this league, hence the overrating at times.
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25/07/2008, 1:09 PM
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Unlucky Fried Kitten
Joined on 01/07/2008
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I'm quite happy to trust Glenn's judgement in these matters. If he decides to go for Howard as the big target man, hopefully that decision will prove to be correct, as will the other players he has brought in so far. He inherited an unholy mess from Grant last season and then did a brilliant job in steering us to safety having made several difficult decisions along the way. Whichever player you buy, it's always a bit of a gamble as to whether they will fit in with the rest of the team.
I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully....
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