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23/07/2008, 11:03 AM Big Down Under Joined on 16/12/2007 Posts 341 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Big Down Under wrote:  WeAreYellows49 wrote: Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live Video "We are sorry, this video is no longer available". Sorry I hit post too early. I haven't seen that video, but Baldwin covers it on the link above. From his article I believe the quote you are probably referring to is; "If somebody comes along and says 'I will put £20 million into Norwich City Football Club on the playing side...', not just on the day-to-day scrabbling about trying to survive but on the playing side, I think that the supporters wouldn't forgive me if I turned it down, or Michael and I turned it down." The key words here are surely 'not just'; in other words, the £20 million for the playing side would need to be on top of the funds needed for scrabbling about. The analysis is from Kevin Baldwin, not me.    Report

23/07/2008, 11:06 AM T Joined on 25/09/2007 Posts 552 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... the word relinquish does not indicate whether they were willing to relinquish their shares for cash or for free and the words not if they buy our shares actually suggests that they were looking to sell their shares but just selling their shares is not suffecient so again it is down to how you decide to interpret the words    Report

23/07/2008, 11:07 AM Big Down Under Joined on 16/12/2007 Posts 341 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... Mr Carrow you are once again just cutting out the bits that support what you want to believe. Now lets look at the WHOLE quote (freom Jan 2007 AGM) from that BBC link I gave you; "Nobody has ever come forward and said `I'll give you this amount of money for a seat on the board.` Nobody's ever done it," she said. "And if somebody offered Michael and I a large amount of money for our shares what's that going to do? "It's going to give us a lot of money, but it's not going to do anything for the club," she added. Delia admitted she would consider selling up, but only if it was in the best long-term interests of Norwich City. "The only way we would relinquish our shares is if somebody's going to put invest in the football with serious money for the squad, and it has to be someone honourable," she added. "They have to be people that we all think would be good custodians of this football club, because we nearly lost it ten years ago and that's a possibility again if it's not looked after properly and nurtured," she added. You can only back up your argument by twisting her words and selectively editing them.    Report

23/07/2008, 11:14 AM Big Down Under Joined on 16/12/2007 Posts 341 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... Oh and I'm not labling Cullum as a bad guy. I have stated clearly I would love to have him in control of the club. I really hope that, when he liquidates more of his cash (he 'only' has 60m remember) he will put in a proper bid for the club. You are trying to turn it into a black and white debate where you are either pro Delia or pro Cullum, I am neither, I am pro NCFC. Just because I call you up on your anti Delia bias doesn't mean I have a pro Delia bias or an anti Cullum bias. I will leave that gang joining for the children.    Report

23/07/2008, 11:20 AM WeAreYellows49 Joined on 11/12/2007 Dereham Posts 5,750 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Big Down Under wrote:  WeAreYellows49 wrote: Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live Video "We are sorry, this video is no longer available".   lol well I literally watched it just before I posted it, so why it's saying that I have no idea.  Try this. YouTube - Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live   Formerly - MightyYellows God how I wish I were a tomato in the sun and warmth, instead of being a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed.... ....    Report

23/07/2008, 11:23 AM Big Down Under Joined on 16/12/2007 Posts 341 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  WeAreYellows49 wrote:  Big Down Under wrote:  WeAreYellows49 wrote: Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live Video "We are sorry, this video is no longer available".   lol well I literally watched it just before I posted it, so why it's saying that I have no idea.  Try this. YouTube - Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live   "that video is not available in your country" Does it say anything that isn't covered by the Kevin Baldin argument above?    Report

23/07/2008, 11:28 AM WeAreYellows49 Joined on 11/12/2007 Dereham Posts 5,750 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... BDU I'm sorry I didn't realise people in other Countries couldn't get youtube, silly me lol. Formerly - MightyYellows God how I wish I were a tomato in the sun and warmth, instead of being a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed.... ....    Report

23/07/2008, 11:37 AM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 2,001 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Big Down Under wrote: Oh and I'm not labling Cullum as a bad guy. I have stated clearly I would love to have him in control of the club. I really hope that, when he liquidates more of his cash (he 'only' has 60m remember) he will put in a proper bid for the club. You are trying to turn it into a black and white debate where you are either pro Delia or pro Cullum, I am neither, I am pro NCFC. Just because I call you up on your anti Delia bias doesn't mean I have a pro Delia bias or an anti Cullum bias. I will leave that gang joining for the children. On another thread i stated that you were portraying Cullum as the bad guy and you responded with "Cullum IS the bad guy".  I`m really not into point-scoring but if you haven`t got the good grace to accept you posted it i`ll drag it up. The quote i posted earlier is absolutely blatant and you and T are simply running round the houses trying to spin it a different way.  "....not if they buy our shares, we don`t want money".  Cullum offered exactly what Delia asked for but she can`t let it go and they have been proven to be populist lies.    Report

23/07/2008, 11:39 AM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 2,001 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Big Down Under wrote:  Big Down Under wrote:  WeAreYellows49 wrote: Delia Smith talks Football on Simon Mayo - BBC Radio 5 Live Video "We are sorry, this video is no longer available". Sorry I hit post too early. I haven't seen that video, but Baldwin covers it on the link above. From his article I believe the quote you are probably referring to is; "If somebody comes along and says 'I will put £20 million into Norwich City Football Club on the playing side...', not just on the day-to-day scrabbling about trying to survive but on the playing side, I think that the supporters wouldn't forgive me if I turned it down, or Michael and I turned it down." The key words here are surely 'not just'; in other words, the £20 million for the playing side would need to be on top of the funds needed for scrabbling about. The analysis is from Kevin Baldwin, not me. What here contradicts my argument?  And since when has K.Baldwin been the fount of all NCFC knowledge anyway?    Report

23/07/2008, 11:45 AM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 2,001 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Big Down Under wrote: Mr Carrow you are once again just cutting out the bits that support what you want to believe. Now lets look at the WHOLE quote (freom Jan 2007 AGM) from that BBC link I gave you; "Nobody has ever come forward and said `I'll give you this amount of money for a seat on the board.` Nobody's ever done it," she said. "And if somebody offered Michael and I a large amount of money for our shares what's that going to do? "It's going to give us a lot of money, but it's not going to do anything for the club," she added. Delia admitted she would consider selling up, but only if it was in the best long-term interests of Norwich City. "The only way we would relinquish our shares is if somebody's going to put invest in the football with serious money for the squad, and it has to be someone honourable," she added. "They have to be people that we all think would be good custodians of this football club, because we nearly lost it ten years ago and that's a possibility again if it's not looked after properly and nurtured," she added. You can only back up your argument by twisting her words and selectively editing them. The quote i made is word-for-word from your link to the Baldwin article.  As the one above is from a short BBC summary of events i would suggest it is the one which has been edited.  Your last comment is wonderful coming from the boards master twister.  You are one of those people who is always right, even when your wrong.....    Report

23/07/2008, 12:10 PM T Joined on 25/09/2007 Posts 552 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... Mr C _ I can totally see that yours is a legitimate interpretation of the words but if you look at the other quotes they could also be interpreted in another way is all I'm saying.  There was never the direct confirmatory follow up question asked "so exactly what do you mean by that " or "so so you mean that you would give away shares/control for free". It is rather academic though as the NCFC statement following the PC story in they EDP is very unambiguous _ they are seeking 16m  for the money for the overall shares.    Report

23/07/2008, 12:22 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 2,001 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  T wrote: Mr C _ I can totally see that yours is a legitimate interpretation of the words but if you look at the other quotes they could also be interpreted in another way is all I'm saying.  There was never the direct confirmatory follow up question asked "so exactly what do you mean by that " or "so so you mean that you would give away shares/control for free". It is rather academic though as the NCFC statement following the PC story in they EDP is very unambiguous _ they are seeking 16m  for the money for the overall shares. Fair enough, certainly the abridged bbc version is more ambiguous, but the quote from Baldwins article is about as blatant as it`s possible to get.  ".....Only if they put money into the squad-not if they buy our shares, we don`t want money".  It`s not as if it`s an isolated quote either, she has constantly given the inpression that she is a benign benefactor and that the good of the club will always come first.  I understand your last sentence but surely Cullum cannot be blamed for offering exactly what Delia asked for-even to the point of offering the exact figure she uses in the Radio 5 interview?    Report

23/07/2008, 12:33 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 2,001 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... I think the confusion here is that the Baldwin quotes are what she said in response to questions during the AGM, whereas the bbc one is an interview with Tim Gudgin after the AGM.  They are different quotes (both accurate), not different versions of the same statements.    Report

23/07/2008, 12:50 PM T Joined on 25/09/2007 Posts 552 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget... I don't blame PC for his bid at all - a little bit cheeky to say the least maybe and never keen on using the press tactics but entirely legitimate. I have been keen for him to take over for a long while and still am as most people are. I can just understand that most people in Delia/MWJ position would refuse the reported PC offer if they are honest. The more exciting stuff on the other threads indicates GR is adding better quality so hopefully we can compete for  top 6 but still going to be tough without the likes of PC to compete for automatic promotion with QPR and the 6 clubs with 12m additional parachute payments when gate receipts amount to some 7m.    Report

23/07/2008, 12:53 PM BigFish Joined on 26/08/2003 Posts 496 Re: Re. Cullum, let's not forget...  Mr.Carrow wrote: I think the confusion here is that the Baldwin quotes are what she said in response to questions during the AGM, whereas the bbc one is an interview with Tim Gudgin after the AGM.  They are different quotes (both accurate), not different versions of the same statements. Mr C, you are counting angels on a pin head with this one. There is no point picking through everything DS has said in the past, particlarly when fltered through the media, misquote and misinterpreted just so you can have a pop. For the moment Cullum's gone away........get over it. Only the numpty army on this board expect DS to give away £9m worth of shares.      Report

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