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04/07/2009, 2:28 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Onwards & upwards with Lambert, McNally & Bowkett Posts 6,545 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  Buckethead wrote: I'm always reminded of the pet shop in 'My family and other animals' by Gerald Durrell whenever I read the club is up for sale. That may be so, but one suspects that in this case there is more insight to be gained from The Bible. OTBC Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

04/07/2009, 2:35 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  Andy Larkin wrote: Actually, I shall give up being pedantic… as you seem to have that side completely covered. The club's own website… ok! Lots of mega rich tycoons logging on there isn't there? Why not use the full media available to them when they have the opportunity? She has done it before has she not? Man City at home? The Norfolk Show? You fully believe they are doing everything to find someone to buy them out do you? I understand completely the difference between minority and majority PC… I think you'll find our beloved Delia wants to remain in the majority! Now, Keith Harris… did you answer that one? He seems to think he's searching for additional investment not a buyer of the club! If by being pedantic you mean caring about accuracy, then I happily plead guilty to that charge. So just to be really pedantic, to finish this off, I'll reproduce that club statement: "As-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} far as potential investment leading to A CHANGE OF MAJORITY SHAREHOLDING [my capitals] is concerned, once again the message from directors is clear. They would be delighted to talk to anyone who is prepared to commit to making a substantial investment into the football budget on an on-going basis in return for shares." If you think the club should have also taken out a full page ad in the Financial Times to make sure the message got read by Barack Obama (his favourite paper, apparently) then that is a reasonable point of view. But that statement is what I said it is - a "we are up for sale - please come and buy us" statement and can be read no other way. http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 2:38 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! Sorry, technical glitch. Try again: Andy Larkin, if by being pedantic you mean caring about accuracy, then I happily plead guilty to that charge. So just to be really pedantic, to finish this off, I'll reproduce that club statement: "As-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} far as potential investment leading to A CHANGE OF MAJORITY SHAREHOLDING [my capitals] is concerned, once again the message from directors is clear. They would be delighted to talk to anyone who is prepared to commit to making a substantial investment into the football budget on an on-going basis in return for shares." If you think the club should have also taken out a full page ad in the Financial Times to make sure the message got read by Barack Obama (his favourite paper, apparently) then that is a reasonable point of view. But that statement is what I said it is - a "we are up for sale - please come and buy us" statement and can be read no other way. http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 2:39 PM Andy Larkin Joined on 22/10/2007 Noj Posts 794 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! Actually PC, if we are going to be accurate…finishing it off would involve answering the Keith Harris question… you seem to be avoiding that one! Hoi, boy Eeunn, you wotta git on in on out on at    Report

04/07/2009, 2:46 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! Oh for an edit button... Third time lucky: Andy Larkin, if by pedantic you mean caring about accuracy then I will happily plead guilty to that charge. So, to be really pedantic, I'll finish this off by reproducing that club statement: "As far as potential investment leading to A CHANGE OF MAJORITY SHAREHOLDING IS CONCERNED [my emphasis} the message from the directors is clear. They would be delighted to talk to anyone who is prepared to commit to making a substantial investment into the football budget on an on-going basis in return for shares." If you think they should also have taken a full page ad in the Financial Times so it got seen by Barack Obama (his favourite paper, apparently) then that is a reasonable point of view. But that statement is what I said it was - a "we are up for sale - please come and buy us" statement, and can be read no other way. http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 2:55 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  Andy Larkin wrote: Actually PC, if we are going to be accurate…finishing it off would involve answering the Keith Harris question… you seem to be avoiding that one! I am not avoiding the Harris question because I don't know what it is. And I don't know what it is because no-one has ever produced a transcript of what he said. My suspicion, and it is only a suspicion, is that he used the word "investment" in the open-ended minority OR majority way that the club has always used it, and whoever heard the interview assumed that meant only minority investment. If he specifically ruled out looking for a buyer that would be a different matter. However the real point is that whatever Harris said then has been superseded by that May 19th statement. The club IS up for sale. Of course the only people who would really know, deep down, if they want to sell or intend to sell, are Smith and Jones. But it is a fact that they have publicly invited people to bid. http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 3:03 PM Andy Larkin Joined on 22/10/2007 Noj Posts 794 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  PurpleCanary wrote:  Andy Larkin wrote: Actually PC, if we are going to be accurate…finishing it off would involve answering the Keith Harris question… you seem to be avoiding that one! I am not avoiding the Harris question because I don't know what it is. And I don't know what it is because no-one has ever produced a transcript of what he said. My suspicion, and it is only a suspicion, is that he used the word "investment" in the open-ended minority OR majority way that the club has always used it, and whoever heard the interview assumed that meant only minority investment. If he specifically ruled out looking for a buyer that would be a different matter. However the real point is that whatever Harris said then has been superseded by that May 19th statement. The club IS up for sale. Of course the only people who would really know, deep down, if they want to sell or intend to sell, are Smith and Jones. But it is a fact that they have publicly invited people to bid. Oh Arse! I was just putting the final touches to a beautifully pithy reply when I saw that response land with an underwhelming thud! I'll see if I can dig up a transcript for you… it will assist in seeing where I am coming from! The point remains however… which is more likely to get national coverage? The 5Live football show at 7pm on a Friday evening or the Norwich website? A full page ad in the FT, WSJ and The Dubai Times would certainly have cost less than Harris' bill will end up, that much is guaranteed. Hoi, boy Eeunn, you wotta git on in on out on at    Report

04/07/2009, 3:07 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  Andy Larkin wrote:  PurpleCanary wrote:  Andy Larkin wrote: Actually PC, if we are going to be accurate…finishing it off would involve answering the Keith Harris question… you seem to be avoiding that one! I am not avoiding the Harris question because I don't know what it is. And I don't know what it is because no-one has ever produced a transcript of what he said. My suspicion, and it is only a suspicion, is that he used the word "investment" in the open-ended minority OR majority way that the club has always used it, and whoever heard the interview assumed that meant only minority investment. If he specifically ruled out looking for a buyer that would be a different matter. However the real point is that whatever Harris said then has been superseded by that May 19th statement. The club IS up for sale. Of course the only people who would really know, deep down, if they want to sell or intend to sell, are Smith and Jones. But it is a fact that they have publicly invited people to bid. Oh Arse! I was just putting the final touches to a beautifully pithy reply when I saw that response land with an underwhelming thud! I'll see if I can dig up a transcript for you… it will assist in seeing where I am coming from! The point remains however… which is more likely to get national coverage? The 5Live football show at 7pm on a Friday evening or the Norwich website? A full page ad in the FT, WSJ and The Dubai Times would certainly have cost less than Harris' bill will end up, that much is guaranteed. Ha! I would be interested to see a transcript at some point although, as I've said, it is now historical. However, without wishing to stifle debate, I would suggest we both now have better things to do on a Saturday! http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 3:09 PM Andy Larkin Joined on 22/10/2007 Noj Posts 794 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! Ah! Stifling debate now are we? I appear to have you on the run! Come back here you coward… Hoi, boy Eeunn, you wotta git on in on out on at    Report

04/07/2009, 3:17 PM no. 6 Joined on 13/05/2008 Posts 109 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! The bottom line is its very attractive to take over a football club but it's not that attractive to put your hand in your pocket and dish out a few million for the squad because that doesn't fit any business model. MWJ said that in the 'no fresh investment' article. Definitely suggests to me that they are purely looking for investment, not a take over.    Report

04/07/2009, 3:41 PM PurpleCanary Joined on 12/10/2007 Posts 1,452 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  Andy Larkin wrote: Ah! Stifling debate now are we? I appear to have you on the run! Come back here you coward… But you're the one with the motorbike for the quick getaway! http://thecanarypurple.homestead.com/ --- "The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it."    Report

04/07/2009, 3:55 PM nutty nigel Joined on 27/08/2006 Rays funds for FONCY with the Pink un Pickers Posts 10,454 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this! As I remember it, at last years AGM (where Andy bravely held his hand up for what seemed an eternity) after it was announced that they had enlisted the help of Keith Harris, Delia said that investment would be welcomed whether it resulted in them retaining all their shares, some of them or none of them. I quite clearly understood that to mean that the priority was to get the needed investment into the club but they would be willing to sell if the investor so desired. Does anyone have an alternative view of what those comments, which we all clearly heard, meant?      Report

04/07/2009, 4:04 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Onwards & upwards with Lambert, McNally & Bowkett Posts 6,545 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  nutty nigel wrote: As I remember it, at last years AGM (where Andy bravely held his hand up for what seemed an eternity) after it was announced that they had enlisted the help of Keith Harris, Delia said that investment would be welcomed whether it resulted in them retaining all their shares, some of them or none of them. I quite clearly understood that to mean that the priority was to get the needed investment into the club but they would be willing to sell if the investor so desired. Does anyone have an alternative view of what those comments, which we all clearly heard, meant? How do you know that we all clearly heard them? Too much Turkish Delight? OTBC Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

04/07/2009, 4:21 PM nutty nigel Joined on 27/08/2006 Rays funds for FONCY with the Pink un Pickers Posts 10,454 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  BlyBlyBabes wrote:  nutty nigel wrote: As I remember it, at last years AGM (where Andy bravely held his hand up for what seemed an eternity) after it was announced that they had enlisted the help of Keith Harris, Delia said that investment would be welcomed whether it resulted in them retaining all their shares, some of them or none of them. I quite clearly understood that to mean that the priority was to get the needed investment into the club but they would be willing to sell if the investor so desired. Does anyone have an alternative view of what those comments, which we all clearly heard, meant? How do you know that we all clearly heard them? Too much Turkish Delight? OTBC I meant those at the meeting heard. Obviously wasn't referring to you. Sorry.      Report

04/07/2009, 4:24 PM Mustachio Furioso Joined on 24/03/2007 Real Veldin Posts 3,542 Re: I wonder what Mr P. Cullum thinks about all this!  JuanVelasco wrote:  Mustachio Furioso wrote:  Cluck is God wrote:  still holding out for new heroes wrote: A billionaire who claims to be a lifelong fan, and isn't prepared to give approximately a maximum 5% of his wealth to buy the club at its lowest point for 50 years...his actions show he doesn't give a tinker's cuss. We've now seen why Peter Cullum hasn't entertained involving himself. Smith will not relinquish control... so only a few big time charlies are interested in stepping into the limelight for the glory of it.... in doing so putting the minimum finance into the club they can get away woth. Peter Cullum I'm afraid is way out of their league and a toadie to no-one.  You obviously know nothing about Bowkett - I believe that he will, as he has done throughout his career, turn this club (business) around, he will invest some of his fortune in the club when the time is right. He will only invest if he knows that he will make a return on his investment, to get to that point the club has to be on the up, he will get the club to that point and beyond. There is not much difference between Cullum and Bowkett. About £2.9 billion of difference? Bowkett is no richer than Delia. LOL, if PC had £2,900,000,000 (I'm being kind and assume you mean the american billion?) available do you think he would really argue with Delia over £56,000,000? And further to your point can you please tell me how much Alan Bowkett is actually worth?    Report

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